Max Richards
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"One who speaks one thing and thinks another, has a war inside."
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Post by Max Richards on Jun 7, 2006 21:43:37 GMT
Thank you very much to all.
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Matthew Reynolds
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"It's good to have an end to a journey towards; but it is the journey that matters in the end."
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Post by Matthew Reynolds on Jun 7, 2006 23:40:48 GMT
I don't know about translators, but I wouldn't mind helping out. Spanish is indeed my native language after all. Though I can't promise anything, lol
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isis
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Post by isis on Jun 21, 2006 18:48:11 GMT
A " . " is also called a full stop over here in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2007 15:58:12 GMT
As I have had an issue when simming with the following ... I thought it would be a good "lesson" for the English Academy.
quiet <-> quite
quiet Silence or near silence
Example: After living in the city the countryside seems very quiet.
quite Truly, considerably. Sometimes slightly negative (He's quite nice = Not totally nice.)
Example: It was quite a nice day with plenty of sun and a little cloud in the afternoon.
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wesleycrusser
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Post by wesleycrusser on Jan 21, 2007 21:28:13 GMT
"Sorry, Sir. I could not find the bridge, new on this ship. Actual I don't no. I will always protect people. My father protect always the Capitain, in good and bad times. He was, a good marine. He did a few month's ago." said Crusser to Cammander S'reena.
Is this Ok, writing in english.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2007 22:11:59 GMT
"Sorry, Sir. I could not find the bridge, new on this ship. Actual I don't no. I will always protect people. My father protect always the Capitain,in good and bad times. He was, a good marine. He did a few month's ago." said Crusser to Cammander S'reena. Is this Ok, writing in english.
It's a very good try, and I think everyone is able to understand what you are saying. See corrections below in red.
"Sorry, Sir. I could not find the bridge, I am new on this ship."
"Actually, I don't no know. I will always protect people."
"My father protect always protects the Capitain Captain, in good and bad times. He was a good marine." <--- Removed comma after "was"
"He did a few month's ago." said Crusser to Cammander S'reena."
This was a very good first attempt though. Notice, I added spaces in your dialogue so that it was easier to read. Also, for some of the mistakes ("Capitain", for instance), the spellcheck feature would have found it.
I encourage you to write more in your posts. The more you write, the more help Commander Hope and the others can give you.
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williamhunter
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Post by williamhunter on Jan 21, 2007 22:38:26 GMT
"Thank you, Commander Parson" said Hunter.
William put down the stuff on the table, and looked through the report's of the last SMO. He wants the captain as soon as possible to speak, concerning the situation on the ship
William tap his com badge.
=^=Computer, locate Captain Drago=^=. said William.
=^=Captain is on the bridge=^=.
=^=Computer, Where is Commander Paikea Apirana=^=. said William.
=^= He is in the gym=^=
He enter the Turbo lift.
"Bridge" said william.
He walk on the bridge and walk to Captain Drago.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2007 0:23:40 GMT
"Thank you, Commander Parson" said Hunter. William put down the stuff on the table, and looked through the report's of the last SMO. He wants the captain as soon as possible to speak, concerning the situation on the ship William tap his com badge. =^=Computer, locate Captain Drago=^=. said William. =^=Captain is on the bridge=^=. =^=Computer, Where is Commander Paikea Apirana=^=. said William. =^= He is in the gym=^= He enter the Turbo lift. "Bridge" said william. He walk on the bridge and walk to Captain Drago.
I assume you want this critiqued by someone? I'll assume that is so.
The post looks good. I would only suggest that you pay attention to your verb tenses. "He entered the turbolift." Not "enter". Or "William tapped his combadge." Not "tap". You have similar mistakes in other sentences, but I think it would be a good exercise to find them on your own. Otherwise, punctuation and grammar look good.
Nice job!
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lohnen
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Post by lohnen on Jan 22, 2007 15:36:51 GMT
"Sorry, Sir. I could not find the bridge, new on this ship. Actual I don't no. I will always protect people. My father protect always the Capitain,in good and bad times. He was, a good marine. He did a few month's ago." said Crusser to Cammander S'reena. Is this Ok, writing in english.
It's a very good try, and I think everyone is able to understand what you are saying. See corrections below in red.
"Sorry, Sir. I could not find the bridge, I am new on this ship."
"Actually, I don't no know. I will always protect people."
"My father protect always protects the Capitain Captain, in good and bad times. He was a good marine." <--- Removed comma after "was"
"He did a few month's ago." said Crusser to Cammander S'reena."
This was a very good first attempt though. Notice, I added spaces in your dialogue so that it was easier to read. Also, for some of the mistakes ("Capitain", for instance), the spellcheck feature would have found it.
I encourage you to write more in your posts. The more you write, the more help Commander Hope and the others can give you. Excellent correction. One last addition: It's Commander, not Cammander.
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lohnen
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Post by lohnen on Jan 22, 2007 15:47:33 GMT
"Thank you, Commander Parson" said Hunter. William put down the stuff on the table, and looked through the report's of the last SMO. He wants the captain as soon as possible to speak, concerning the situation on the ship William tap his com badge. =^=Computer, locate Captain Drago=^=. said William. =^=Captain is on the bridge=^=. =^=Computer, Where is Commander Paikea Apirana=^=. said William. =^= He is in the gym=^= He enter the Turbo lift. "Bridge" said william. He walk on the bridge and walk to Captain Drago. As Lieutenant Manto has already stated, mind your tenses. Either write in the present tense (i.e. he enters the turbolift, he walks to Captain Drago) or use the past tense (i.e. he entered the turbolift, he walked to Captain Drago). He wants/wanted to speak to the Captan as soon as possible concerning the situation on the ship.It's a matter of sentence order.
Also, pay attention to the plural form and the possessive form:In English, 's is used to denote possession (i.e. Danny's phaser rifle, the Captain's pink pyjamas). If you use the plural form of a word (in this case the plural of report), you attach the s to the word: reports instead of report's.
Hope this helps.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2007 19:10:57 GMT
Did Mr Hunter ask for his post to be copied here and corrected? I'm very certain not everyone appreciates their post being copied and corrected without being asked to please do so....
I would suggest that if you copy a post and correct it <that's directed to anyone who might> to put a note in that it's done with author permission or upon author request.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2007 19:16:24 GMT
The author, in this instance, copied his/her own post into this thread with the expression to make corrections. I think if you go up a few posts, you'll see that.
I don't think anyone would drag someone's post into here under scrutiny without their permission, Commodore.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2007 19:22:49 GMT
must've missed that The author, in this instance, copied his/her own post into this thread with the expression to make corrections. I think if you go up a few posts, you'll see that.
I don't think anyone would drag someone's post into here under scrutiny without their permission, Commodore.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2007 19:23:55 GMT
No prob. bob.
er.. Sonak.
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lohnen
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Post by lohnen on Jan 22, 2007 19:42:26 GMT
Did Mr Hunter ask for his post to be copied here and corrected? I'm very certain not everyone appreciates their post being copied and corrected without being asked to please do so.... I would suggest that if you copy a post and correct it <that's directed to anyone who might> to put a note in that it's done with author permission or upon author request. The entire point of this thread is to correct people's posts. Posting here means you want to be corrected. Otherwise, why would people post (part of) their mission posts on the English Academy thread?
Also, see the explicit cautionary note by the founder of this thread (especially the last part, highlighted in white by yours truly):
Welcome to the English Academy. This is the place to improve your English. It is completely on a voluntary basis. There are no obligations.
If you are unsure about a grammatical form or a spelling form or a word etc. you can post a question here.
If you want tips on how to improve your grammar, you can post a question here.
Another possibility is that you make a copy of your mission post and post it here as well. I will then look over it and correct the grammar and spelling where necessary.
I won't be childish about the differences between British English and American English or any other form of English. If something is correct English (whether British, American, Australian or whatever other form of English) I won't correct it. If I do correct something because it is wrong, I will often prefer to state the correct British English form, but that does not always mean that that is the only correct alternative. Where necessary, I will indicate a correct American English alternative as well, to give you the choice between the two forms.
This thread is designed for people who want help with their English. If you post here, you agree to get feedback on grammar and spelling. If you don't want people looking at your English with the purpose of correcting it, you shouldn't post on this thread.
Posting on this thread automatically means giving the OK to correct the post. Explicit author consent is not required on this thread (and this is the only thread on which it is not needed. On all the other threads on S47 one does need author consent to mess with other people's posts). Nobody forces anyone to submit their posts for correction here, but this entire thread is designed for those who do wish to submit their posts for correction. If you don't want to be corrected, you shouldn't post samples here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2007 19:46:17 GMT
It's the matter on HOW corrections that're requested are handled though...one may post a request...that doesn't mean the response has to be en plain publique.
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Post by lohnen on Jan 22, 2007 20:00:14 GMT
If you want a private correction, there's no point in publicly asking for it. When this thread was founded, the point and nature of this thread were made very clear. Also, one glance at the previous posts on the thread further outlines how things are handled here. There have never been objections by anyone who has posted here and who's posts have been corrected publicly. This is what the thread was designed for and as an added bonus, others might learn from public corrections as well. If people don't want that, they shouldn't post on this thread, which is meant to be a place where correct English is to be discussed.
In fact, this issue has been discussed before and CSS agreed with me (in the person of ONE) and you yourself were on the same side too back then:
This is something that always bugs me. Not everyone speaks English as their first language so therefor, do not always know how to spell something. One should not be critized simply cause the can't spell the greatest. Atleast, that is my opinion. Plus this is a startrek forum not an english/grammer forum. That's why I specifically included the idea that it was completely voluntarily. No-one blames anyone for mistakes in spelling or grammar. Indeed, we know that not everybody has English as his/her first language and that's okay. Yet, if there are people who want to improve their English, they can do so here. If people do not want to improve their English, they don't have to submit their posts for review on this thread. This thread (as stated in the opening post) is specifically for people who have decided voluntarily that they want to be criticised.
If you don't post on this thread, you will not be criticised. No-one will blame you for not posting on this thread. And yes, you're right, this is a Star Trek forum, but it's also a forum where people can help each other with anything people want. If we want to establish a thread where people can seek help on a voluntary basis, I think that is our good right. You have of course every right to disagree with the idea, but I'm not planning on debating the validity of the "English Academy" thread. It's there, people like it, it's not offensive, everyone has stated that it is on a completely voluntary basis and everyone has stated that not participating in this thread will not be held against someone, so I really don't see the problem.
Please reserve this thread for on-topic posts (consructive posts, posts for review or questions about grammar or spelling).
James O'Connor
I agree with Commander O'Connor.
I agree with O'Connor too. Plus if someone doesn't want people to know s/he's a bad speller...it can be send to the person privately and it will be dealt with confidentially. Indeed not everyone is a great speller...but proper spelling and grammar does improve on the readability of posts. If I can't read a post because of grammar and spelling errors...how am I to properly respond to it...and how will the author feel if s/he's constantly misunderstood because s/he cannot get a message across? It's very frustrating.
You even offered people a way out if they didn't want to be publicly criticised:
I agree with O'Connor too. Plus if someone doesn't want people to know s/he's a bad speller...it can be send to the person privately and it will be dealt with confidentially.
is it alright if i join the class? If you're not sure about spelling, or if you wish to have your post looked over for grammar, this is the place to ask questions. If you prefer not to post it publicly, feel free to contact anyone who, on this thread, has offered to assist.
Again, if people don't want public criticism, this is not the thread for them. Besides, according with rules of decency and the Board Rules, all corrections have to be respectful and aimed to help, not to burn someone to the ground. I can hardly imagine people posting here, being corrected in a friendly manner and then start nagging about not wanting to be corrected while the terms of this thread and the way it has been handled are so clearly stated.
Hope this solves the controversy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2007 20:16:33 GMT
I highly doubt new members read back on a thread that far...or even THINK about just messaging someone privately. Besides it's not THAT someone gets corrected..it's the HOW it's done.
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lohnen
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Post by lohnen on Jan 22, 2007 20:23:55 GMT
And so far everyone has been extremely helpful and very polite in their corrections. There have never been complaints from people who were corrected, so I don't see the problem.
At any rate, in accordance with the purpose of the thread, I intend to stick to the method of correcting people who post their mission posts on this thread. It has worked well so far and I'm quite confident it will keep working well in this way.
Judging from the above, I don't think we're going to agree with each other on this, so this is how I'm doing it. If you want to do things differently, that's your prerogative. I think we should leave it at a friendly disagreement here, instead of going on and on and on and never coming to any agreement whatsoever.
I suggest we return to the topic of the thread and stay on-topic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2007 20:25:33 GMT
Might I suggest it would be better to discuss the finer details of this thread on the Academy mailing list? This board is seen by every new member who joins Section 47, and I do think the current direction of this debate is going to create a good first impression.
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lohnen
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Post by lohnen on Jan 22, 2007 20:27:57 GMT
Might I suggest it would be better to discuss the finer details of this thread on the Academy mailing list? This board is seen by every new member who joins Section 47, and I do think the current direction of this debate is going to create a good first impression. agreed Admiral.
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