iantalosarika
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Post by iantalosarika on Jun 22, 2006 18:18:14 GMT
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kosh0darmek
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Post by kosh0darmek on Jun 23, 2006 1:54:05 GMT
make the saucer longer and sleaker like voyager or the enterprise e
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Post by davidramsey on Jun 23, 2006 2:10:30 GMT
Yes, I agree ... it looks too much like enterprise d ...
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kosh0darmek
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Post by kosh0darmek on Jun 23, 2006 2:44:40 GMT
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davidramsey
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Post by davidramsey on Jun 23, 2006 2:56:39 GMT
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kosh0darmek
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Post by kosh0darmek on Jun 23, 2006 3:11:50 GMT
i love those or cirle vulcan warp engins
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Post by iantalosarika on Jun 23, 2006 18:25:02 GMT
One thing at a time, I want to get shape established, then I'll add detail, okay?
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Post by raleva on Jun 23, 2006 18:30:25 GMT
Ok, you're doing a wonderful job ... by the way. Once this ship is decided on will it be the new flagship or just a side project?
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Post by iantalosarika on Jun 23, 2006 18:33:13 GMT
Side project, I like their flagship, actually.
I have a neat idea for the ship to solve energy problems, three cores! One core linked to each engine and the third to the rest of the ship's systems.
Edit: I'm changing the topic name to Project Valiance.
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Post by raleva on Jun 23, 2006 18:38:17 GMT
That would solve energy problems, but what about staffing problems. How many additional engineers would need to be on board to service three different cores? I am not sure if this is a serious issue, just something I am curious about.
Actually, I am thinking of what Engineering would look like with three cores, all arranged in a kind of pyramid of power. It would be interesting.
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Post by iantalosarika on Jun 23, 2006 18:54:59 GMT
No, more like three on a back wall
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And anyone have suggestions for a bridge design? I have some so far, but I want your input before I start to design stuff for the bridge.
Edit: Or it could be a back-up engine system. The reason I thought of the three core system was that I was reading something about how the ships could go faster but they'd use energy up too fast.
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Post by elianabetor on Jun 23, 2006 19:33:53 GMT
"I have a neat idea for the ship to solve energy problems, three cores! One core linked to each engine and the third to the rest of the ship's systems."
Isn't that like having an engine for each wheel of a car? Also would be an incredibly dangerous environment to live in, can you imagine having three warp cores breach at the same time?
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Post by iantalosarika on Jun 23, 2006 19:49:42 GMT
Okay, so that wasn't my best idea... Maybe just two instead? Or are you saying I should only have one?
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Post by davidramsey on Jun 23, 2006 20:04:20 GMT
Well, the multiple cores is an intruging idea, not to be dismissed lightly. There is a chance that it could work with certain protocols and restrictions ... it could be a great new concept that would seem fitting on a prototype ship.
It all depends on how you plan to deploy each core ... one for enhanced sensor range, one for general propulsion and one to operate all main systems. I imagine the engines would be smaller and buildt for maximum efficency to circumvent the unnecessary waste of materials. In an emergency situation I imagine all the cores' power could be diverted to whatever system needed them. It could prove to be a valuable change in the long run.
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Post by jared on Jun 23, 2006 20:47:03 GMT
It's not a matter just of safety, but the fact it is both inefficient and unnecessary. A single warp core is capable of powering the whole ship since once the engine drain is taken off then enough remains to run everything else. Unless the engines required far more power than they actually do now then a second source of power is not needed. It only became necessary in early Voyager to ration power because they are a small ship with no obvious means of refuelling and the death of anyone who knew how common deuterium actually is meant they thought it was a huge problem.
An analogy would be putting thee identical engines into a car; it doesn't make you able to go faster, it just requires three times the fuel to achieve the same speed when a single engine with three times the power was needed. As long as backup exists to take over from the main if it fails then there's no problem.
If you really do want more than one, I'd suggest a spare mini one in the saucer since when it's seperate then there's no way for it to run indefinately. Of course it would be too small to power warp, but it wouldn't need to since the saucer is impulse only.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2006 21:12:45 GMT
I like the premethus style warp engines my slef Kosh, and I would like to see more of that split formation of the premethues
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Post by kosh0darmek on Jun 23, 2006 21:37:03 GMT
One thing at a time, I want to get shape established, then I'll add detail, okay? ya man we dont care about the color or the marking just the shape off the hull
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Post by jared on Jun 23, 2006 22:39:22 GMT
I like the premethus style warp engines my slef Kosh, and I would like to see more of that split formation of the premethues The obvious flaw of the Prometheus style MVAM was that it required all three sections intact for it to reform. Not a good chance to take when it's a battle ship. Nick Martens (on this site) designed the Vesuvius-A so that it split differently. It doesn't exactly look graceful when split, but it doesn't need to and at least we don't need all the pieces.
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Post by kosh0darmek on Jun 24, 2006 1:03:48 GMT
the ship could be made so let say section alpha and gamma could dock to gether with out section beta
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Post by jared on Jun 24, 2006 23:54:28 GMT
The shape of the Prometheus suggests no such thing is possible. Of course it was a prototype class so it is entirely possible later MVAM ships would be made so that not all sections need to be present as on the Martens made Somma class.
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Post by iantalosarika on Jun 25, 2006 0:58:29 GMT
Is it just me, or are we off topic?
And I don't like the whole "One engine for each wheel" reference, because I thought Warp Cores were more like an energy source than propulsion. I got my idea from something I read at Treknology.org
"Higher velocities were possible, but the energy expenditure and the stress to the system components was enormous."
See what I mean? I think smaller warp cores might work though, three cores that are smaller than regular cores. One for the propulstion, one for the systems, and one as a backup core (which is usually off unless needed.)
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Post by cptjeff on Jun 25, 2006 7:26:08 GMT
I don't like aht ideas as an engineer. If you hooked one to each engine, what if one went offline?
YOu could achive the same amount of power with a bigger single core. Voyager has 2 cores, though one is a spare. YOu could do something similar, and also have one to power the saucer.
Or, here's an idea: use warp core power to elctrify the plasma for the impulse drive. Clean and No exaust ports needed.
The multiple cores idea is a nightmare from an engineering perspective. if the ship gets' really big (several times galaxty size) It would make a lot of sense for redundant power adn all that. but the size we're talikg about here, it shouldn't matter.
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Post by davidramsey on Jun 25, 2006 8:03:26 GMT
I remember the TNG episode where it was revealed that conventional warp drive was destroying the galaxy. What if you were running a new engine that was designed to somehow avoid such a thing? I don't think you'd want to chance having the thing short out because you are using it to power too many things, also, you'd certainly want to have a back up plan in case something went wrong. Or there is a chance that such an engine, even a proven model, may not yet be capable of really powering the whole of the ship. You may have the alternative engines to power the ship's systems as well as any extracurricular systems.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2006 17:30:09 GMT
You have got a good poit there about the premthus
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Post by iantalosarika on Jun 26, 2006 22:55:55 GMT
As I've said, it's not going to be one core for each engine. It's going to be set up like this. Core 1: Shipboard systems Core 2: Propulsion Core 3: Backup core Cores one and two are going to be smaller than most ship cores, and core three is going to be full size, so it can pick up if both cores fail. Standard core operations will have one and two active and three shutdown unless needed.
Edit: And can we drop the subject of the Prometheus class?
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