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Post by cptjeff on Dec 13, 2005 19:50:17 GMT
I like the idea of not being able to use it in the galaxy- that shows that it's still new,and untested. (besides, the cheif engineer of the ship would go nuts with delight at finally having something new)
And remember, it only would have taken them a few minutes with slipstream drive to get home, and they nearly did it. this is just the 20 years later... idea.
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Post by jared on Dec 13, 2005 20:09:07 GMT
The trouble with slipstream and galaxy to galaxy is that it does take the site more away from canon. Once one ship starts with the uber-tech, more ships on s47 will probably be replaced by home made uber-techs until we end up with TNG Era simming as an added sideline. I mean it is hard because we need to do better than the Sovereigns, Intrepids and indeed the home made Vesuvius, but it's a matter of how far it should go.
The odd thing is that the problems here are created by canon being skewed towards the end of Trek's run.
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Post by jared on Dec 13, 2005 20:14:08 GMT
Thinking about it some more, an idea occurs. There was talk of a fleet-wide mission a while ago. If it was against the Borg, and I mean proper Borg, not the weak offshoot group Janeway thought was the real Borg (see how clever that is; I manage to reconcile dodgy canon with proper Trek ;D) then we could steal transwarp technology from them.
That way it could be experimental enough to be risky to use but safe enough that it's an option. If it was combined with an energy limit (too much energy to use; one jump per week with the added problem of you have to make sure you won't hit a star) then it would give the ship a new aspect whilst still remaining canon and not being uber-teched.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 13, 2005 21:18:51 GMT
slipsteam variants would be canon too- after all, we are 20 years after Voyager, and presuably, the federation would have figured some of it out by then. voyager did have the plans for a slipstream drive in it's memory backs, you know.
and accually, we do have canon to run on- the enterprise-J, the wells class ships- we're working towards that. Presumably, they would be faster with better drive systemns. I always thought that they were streching it by using impulse on every blasted ship from NX to voyager- somebody would ahve found something different! besides, what ever happened to magnetic propultion that the cloud creature had in TOS? could that not have been used somehow?
what I'm saying is that canon is nothing that we should be concerned about- we're 20 years past VOY, so what's to say what we can and can't do with or ships?
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Post by ajohnson on Dec 13, 2005 22:09:01 GMT
And remember, it only would have taken them a few minutes with slipstream drive to get home, and they nearly did it. this is just the 20 years later... idea. It was months actually.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 13, 2005 22:15:23 GMT
but- that's around 140 times faster. and they were dodging Stars and planets in the slipstream. It stands to reason that we could set how fast it went... we're inventing it.
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Post by jared on Dec 13, 2005 22:53:53 GMT
slipsteam variants would be canon too- after all, we are 20 years after Voyager, and presuably, the federation would have figured some of it out by then. voyager did have the plans for a slipstream drive in it's memory backs, you know. and accually, we do have canon to run on- the enterprise-J, the wells class ships- we're working towards that. Presumably, they would be faster with better drive systemns. I always thought that they were streching it by using impulse on every blasted ship from NX to voyager- somebody would ahve found something different! besides, what ever happened to magnetic propultion that the cloud creature had in TOS? could that not have been used somehow? what I'm saying is that canon is nothing that we should be concerned about- we're 20 years past VOY, so what's to say what we can and can't do with or ships? I'm not saying one way or the other, just that canon provides the guidelines for things which go on so without it we'd have to create our own canon to work from. Also, yes impulse shouldn't have been on NX really, but then we still use the same power generation methods now as we did centuries ago, we just changed the fuel a bit and improved the efficiency.
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Post by ajohnson on Dec 13, 2005 23:12:42 GMT
Canon provides the guidelines for things which go on so without it we'd have to create our own canon to work from. Exactly.
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Post by trekkie3 on Dec 13, 2005 23:33:27 GMT
We need to stay with canon, but we also need to envolve the ship beyond canon into new technologies. As has been said it been 20 years since Voyager.
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Post by ajohnson on Dec 14, 2005 17:13:42 GMT
I know, but we can't go too far and, in my opinion, other galaxies is too far, let's not forget, it has only been 20 years, that a pretty huge leap for just 20 years.
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Post by Elron on Dec 14, 2005 18:30:55 GMT
Yeah. I don't know how much you guys know about astronomy, but intergalactic travel is, in my opinion, definitely far too advanced for this time-frame. I'm afraid the StarTrek writers themselves started to get a little silly in the later slipstream episodes. Here's the description I wrote fo the BT's QSD, if you're interested in a comparison.
5.4 QUANTUM SLIPSTREAM DRIVE
Originally discovered by the U.S.S. Voyager, NCC-74656, during her passage through the Delta Quadrant, this new form of faster-than-warp propulsion was trialled by Voyager first in 2375 and then again in 2377. Each time the crew was able to successfully travel at phenomenal velocities but were unable to sustain their journey because of the incredible stresses it placed on the ship. Upon Voyager's eventual return to the Alpha Quadrant in 2378, Starfleet were eager to analyse the data from these trials with the ultimate goal of solving the problems Voyager had encountered and allowing slipstream-capable vessels to be added to Starfleet. It quickly became clear that research into this field would have to be broken up into two separate problems, namely the excessive structural stresses placed on the hull and the phase variance imbalances that caused the slipstream to destabilise. Both these issues were studied in detail by a series of dedicated research groups, most of who were allowed to concentrate only on a particular aspect of the project and were therefore unaware of what it was they were really contributing towards. In this way, significant progress was made over the next ten years in one of Starfleet's most top secret areas of scientific research.
In early 2388, the first preliminary test of QSD on a Starfleet vessel was conducted. Because of the amount of power required it was decided that only the Sovereign class would be able to support the drive, and so the U.S.S. Black Tulip, under the command of Captain Elron, was chosen as the first test-bed for the system. Before being assigned to the Black Tulip, Elron had played a significant role in developing the mathematics that would eventually solve the phase variance imbalances encountered by Voyager. The ship underwent a period of refitting in preparation for the trial, though the drive had been designed to work on a standard Starfleet ship with a minimum of modification. Shortly after engaging slipstream, however, the drive began to destabilise and the ship was thrown from slipstream space, leaving it adrift and severely damaged. Disappointed and disheartened, Starfleet never the less continued its research and after several years of redesign and improvement a second test of QSD was again conducted on the U.S.S. Black Tulip in 2391. The entire ship's hull was reinforced with specially designed structural plating developed through advances in quantum epitaxy engineering. This plating was integrated with the existing ablative armour and designed to work in tandem with a specialised quantum integrity field. The standard Sovereign warp core was again modified to incorporate a Quantum Reactor to fuel the drive and the existing sensor package was expanded to include immensely sophisticated sensors, developed specifically to map the quantum field phase variances quickly enough for the emitter to keep the slipstream stable. The Black Tulip re-launched on May 4th and, despite some unrelated setbacks encountered on her shakedown cruise, the Quantum Slipstream Drive proved itself reliable and passed intensive testing. Minor modifications were necessarily made on site by the test supervisors Cmdr Doug Branson and Admiral Elron, but the drive was officially commissioned for permanent use on the U.S.S. Black Tulip. While Starfleet works on ways of installing the drive on other Starfleet vessels, the Black Tulip's slipstream capability remains highly classified.
Quantum energies from a reactor in Engineering are funnelled to the main deflector array, which then opens up a "quantum slipstream" in a dimension below subspace. The quantum slipstream is actually a narrowly focused, directed warp field that is initiated by manipulating the fabric of the space-time continuum at the quantum level. It works by focusing a quantum field through a "quantum matrix" and a deflector dish that can generate massive changes in local space curvature; this creates something analogous to a subspace tunnel, which is projected in front of the vessel. In order to maintain the slipstream a ship has to constantly modify the quantum field with its deflector dish; however, the calculations involved are extremely complicated and required a new branch of mathematics to be developed. A quantum energy field similar to a warp bubble is projected ahead of the craft and into slipstream space. This field is continuously generated by the craft to maintain the quantum slipstream, which then pulls the craft along the path. Unlike the warp bubble, which can be likened to a zero-dimensional subspace manifestation (when seen from subspace, say), the slipstream field is a one-dimensional (linear) manifestation of subspace. Stresses build up because of the fluctuating nature of quantum-level energy, or "quantum cavitation". Slipstream space is not free and open in the same way as subspace or true-space, but must be traversed in the form of grooves or pre-laid paths. To change destination mid-journey one must alter the slipstream. The slipstream has only one speed setting which cannot be increased or decreased at will with this version of the technology. Local stars and gravity wells pose no risk to a vessel in slipstream since their effects do not extend into slipstream space, unlike subspace. The ship moves by manipulating the quantum energy field and using its impulse engines. In order to initiate a controlled shutdown of a quantum drive, the field strength has to be reduced to 50 percent. This can be done by reversing the drive's polarity.
Type: Dauntless-class Mark II Quantum Slipstream Drive, developed by the Brunel Institute of Propulsion Technologies. Information on this drive is classified by Starfleet Operations and restricted to authorised personnel only.
Output: The slipstream produced by this drive can propel a ship at an estimated speed of around 512,000 times the speed of light, which is approximately 65 times faster than the next fastest ship in the fleet. At this speed, one can cross the span of Federation space in a little over a week.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 14, 2005 19:56:20 GMT
If we have it, why not use it? We keep it on, but slower then initally suggested. keep it on a rough par with slipstream, just desined to use less power. think slipstream mk. 3= slidewarp mk. 1
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Post by jared on Dec 14, 2005 22:12:43 GMT
In which case just call it slipstream? To me, slidewarp sounds a bit like an accidental manoeuvre caused by a steering fault.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 15, 2005 0:50:38 GMT
because it works differently- it's not the same thing.
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Post by Elron on Feb 17, 2006 14:53:19 GMT
I think the point was it's a crappy name, lol.
I just came back to look at my QSD description again but couldn't help making that comment. ;D
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Post by jared on Feb 17, 2006 16:45:53 GMT
Ah cripsakira, I forgot about needing to do a wider version of prototype design. Been very busy you see. Will see about doing it for next week. Other option would be just to download the picture, stretch it diagonally and see what it looks like then, if anyone wants to have a vague idea of appearance quicker.
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Post by Magellan Lin on Aug 17, 2006 12:09:57 GMT
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Post by Jamey Gaz on Dec 17, 2006 5:57:10 GMT
(i think this is the correct thread to ask this)
What torpedoes are used in S47? ... and what do we (S47) know about the The Transphasic Torpedo?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2006 14:51:16 GMT
I can do some reaserch into the transphasic torpeados if you want
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Post by iantalosarika on Dec 18, 2006 1:59:08 GMT
Here's an idea that I'm incorporating into my ship, multi-layer shielding. The basic idea is that the ship would have two shields, an inner and outer (or more if you want) and if they happen to fire on the frequency that your outer shield resonates at, then it will go through to the second layer and hit that layer instead of your ship directly.
And I know firing is a problem, but if you set up a system to have all layers match frequency when firing, then it won't be a problem.
What do you think of that idea?
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Post by Jamey Gaz on Dec 18, 2006 17:13:28 GMT
Thank you for the links ... I had read them before but didn't remember where they were ... I guess my real questions is ... I know that in a sim ... people just seem to fire torpedoes ... but what is the standard torpedo used on S47?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2006 18:06:14 GMT
well, i think it depends on the ship, but on the missions I have been on I havent had much combat exeperiance with torpeados etc.
oh and ian, that idea is on the prometheus class, so it isnt a new idea.
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Post by Max Richards on Dec 20, 2006 17:14:19 GMT
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Post by Elron on Dec 22, 2006 1:15:53 GMT
Wow, someone linked to my DCLN entry!
Photon and Quantum are still the most common in S47 (by now quantums can be found on almost all starships). Your ship can be outfitted with the rarer ones if you wish, but they're not standard issue. We've never had an official policy on transphasic torpedoes, but it's fair to say that we're not equipped with it as standard issue. I'd say it's unlikely that Starfleet put it into mass production, because of its high manufacturing cost (imagine constructing thousands upon thousands of phase devices which are intended to blow up on their first use!). Their primary intent was for use against the Borg, so perhaps Starfleet are holding the tech back in case of another Borg invasion. On the other hand, the Borg may have been able to adapt to the technology in the decade since it was first used.
In any case, just because we don't have them, it doesn't necessarily limit what you can have on this project
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