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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2005 17:25:36 GMT
It would also creates challenges for the Academy training missions. It's enough of a challenge for Cadets to learn to work with an established ship, with plentiful information available. They have to get used to the tech, the layout, the terminology, the systems. To ask them to do that with a ship they've never heard of before would be very challenging, and tasking for the Instructors to provide that information.
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Post by ONE on Nov 30, 2005 18:55:49 GMT
Not if the project staff created a concise, easy-to-read specs sheet for the prototype vessel. Actually, I think many of the cadets might enjoy it. And as far as day-to-day operation and terminology, it shouldn't be all that different than canon ships. The layout and capabilities will be the biggest differences, and cadets rarely pay attention to those details anyway.
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Post by cptjeff on Nov 30, 2005 20:32:15 GMT
Taht's a good point. I think the prototype being an acedemy ship is a good idea... The Zenith or Sunrise (those are my favorite 2 for one ship or class name, and the flagship being Einstien. We just toss the Hepta (or antoher ship) into the reserve fleet, and repalce it with a shiny new one.
Two of them does make it a little less specal, but it solves a bunch of the problems brought up in this tread, ie, flagship isn't a prototype. So it works out quite well, IMOHO
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Post by cptjeff on Nov 30, 2005 20:33:04 GMT
That's a good point. I think the prototype being an acedemy ship is a good idea... The Zenith or Sunrise (those are my favorite 2 for one ship or class name, and the flagship being Einstien. We just toss the Hepta (or antoher ship) into the reserve fleet, and repalce it with a shiny new one.
Two of them does make it a little less specal, but it solves a bunch of the problems brought up in this tread, ie, flagship isn't a prototype. So it works out quite well, IMOHO
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Post by ajohnson on Nov 30, 2005 21:41:32 GMT
I don't think it's a good idea or realistic. When I was a cadet, I liked having an established ship so that I knew what it looked like in my mind. Bottom line is that in "real" life, Starfleet wouldn't create a brand spankin' new ship then give it to the academy. Besides, the adademy doesn't need another ship. At this time the prototype will be the flagship.
PS: Just a thought, Horizon class?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2005 21:54:04 GMT
I don't think it's a good idea or realistic. When I was a cadet, I liked having an established ship so that I knew what it looked like in my mind. Bottom line is that in "real" life, Starfleet wouldn't create a brand spankin' new ship then give it to the academy. Besides, the adademy doesn't need another ship. At this time the prototype will be the flagship. PS: Just a thought, Horizon class? There already is a Horizon class....the USS Pasteur <hospital ship commanded by beverly picard> was a Horizon class vessel. Note: this image is just plucked from the internet....but it's a Horizon class
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Post by cptjeff on Nov 30, 2005 22:01:37 GMT
I would say that the best ideas here are Zenith, Sunrise, and Einstain, at least the ones that arn't already taken. So I would say that it's speak now, forever hold your peace time before we start debating between the names already suggsted. We need to move on to the rest of the ship.
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Post by jared on Dec 1, 2005 1:37:28 GMT
Sunrise is good due to it being an abstract concept and an original name as well. It sounds more peaceful and welcoming than many of the ships do and with a vessel that size, it would be likely sent out far from home for long periods of time, not for the usual one mission out then back again. In such a case, you want a nice name to say 'look, we're nice'.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 1, 2005 1:43:50 GMT
Now on to the regestry number- something with 47 at the end, I would think.
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Post by jared on Dec 1, 2005 11:05:16 GMT
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Post by Elron on Dec 1, 2005 11:25:06 GMT
I don't think it's a good idea or realistic. When I was a cadet, I liked having an established ship so that I knew what it looked like in my mind. Bottom line is that in "real" life, Starfleet wouldn't create a brand spankin' new ship then give it to the academy. Besides, the adademy doesn't need another ship. At this time the prototype will be the flagship. PS: Just a thought, Horizon class? There already is a Horizon class....the USS Pasteur <hospital ship commanded by beverly picard> was a Horizon class vessel. Note: this image is just plucked from the internet....but it's a Horizon class Umm, I'm pretty sure the Pasteur was an Olympic-class vessel. Dunno if it was established in the dialogue, so I'd have to go check, but that's certainly what I remember... The Horizon-class is a real-life class of ship though - an anti-air war frigate
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Post by Elron on Dec 1, 2005 11:33:58 GMT
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Post by jared on Dec 1, 2005 12:18:18 GMT
I think the Daedalus was the predecessor to the Olympic, but the Olympic isn't actually canon since it was a Q future. Likewise, the hot rod Galaxy isn't canon either since adding nacelles and strange bits onto the hull doesn't actually make much difference (as well as looking silly and being arguably against Roddenberry's design principles).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2005 12:31:02 GMT
Heh..all I did was look on Horizon class...and this is what I got with a yahoosearch.........
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Post by ONE on Dec 1, 2005 16:27:23 GMT
I don't think it's a good idea or realistic. When I was a cadet, I liked having an established ship so that I knew what it looked like in my mind. Bottom line is that in "real" life, Starfleet wouldn't create a brand spankin' new ship then give it to the academy. Besides, the adademy doesn't need another ship. At this time the prototype will be the flagship. PS: Just a thought, Horizon class? Then we could use it for the ACTC. That solves the problem of possibly confusing newbies, while also making the ship "important" but nobody is fighting over who gets to sim on it. If anything, maybe it'll motivate people to take part in the ACTC (either as trainee or instructor). I'm not going to push for the Academy, but I did want to put it out there as a possibility with numerous advantages.
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Post by ajohnson on Dec 1, 2005 17:28:03 GMT
Actually, Olympic class is some kind of misunderstanding with the fans. The Pasteur was actually a Hope Class vessel.
Doesn't S47 have its own registry convention?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2005 18:44:20 GMT
No it wasnt....the Pasteur was indeed an Olympic class vessel! I have the Encyclopedia in front of me, and somehow, I dont think that is wrong!
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Post by ajohnson on Dec 1, 2005 18:51:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2005 19:31:12 GMT
Yes, but it is STILL classed as an Olympic class vessel!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2005 20:59:54 GMT
How about we just agree that both Hope and Olympic classes are taken, regardless of by what ship. This isn't worth it.
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Post by ajohnson on Dec 1, 2005 22:28:36 GMT
I don't believe we ever thought about calling it either Hope or Olympic.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 1, 2005 23:01:01 GMT
Hope was a suggestion, but then a tangent cam along about where it was canon- not if, but where...
Sunrise, Zenith and Einstien seem to be the current leaders in names.
NCC-83547 is the only regestry suggesteed, but I'll trow out NCC-47147 - section 47, ist vessel (flagship, first in command, not first in creation) and end with 47. Hence NCC-47147 also simple to remember.
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Post by jared on Dec 2, 2005 0:54:37 GMT
The reason I gave that number was partly your suggestion, partly random and partly because the link I pasted gives a guide of number development. Since s47 is after Voyager, we'd have a higher registration number. 47147 would make the ship about 30 years too early.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 2, 2005 1:31:34 GMT
the daates have little to do with the ship's age. A number cna be assigned if it hasn't been assigned before, and some ships can't fit that mold- USS constilation NCC 1017- by that reasoning, it should be a dadalious clas, although it's one of the 6 Constitution class ships we have Canon proof of. So numbers aren't always assigned sequentually. they tend to be, but for a flagship, I'm sure starfleet might make an exception.
Just a thought. I want to be able to remember the number on this one- it should be easy to remember.
EDIT: I just looked at a few of our current ships. We're using 6 digit regestries now, so it's a moot point. we can use 470147 if we wanted to.
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Post by jared on Dec 2, 2005 1:48:50 GMT
NCC-474747
Sounds like an insurance company phone number...
Also, prototype could be 470047 and flagship could be 470147.
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