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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2006 21:32:06 GMT
I havent seen House yet. I keep meaning to but I forget! lol
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Post by davidramsey on May 19, 2006 22:18:54 GMT
Here are some Shakespeare possiblities, there are many others, but there's more to Shakespeare and deciphering the meanings of all his quotes is difficult. Not to say the Bible isn't difficult, but in secular terms, you can barely get harder than Shakespeare.
The clouds methought would open and show riches Ready to drop upon me that, when I waked, I cried to dream again. The Tempest, 3.2
How many goodly creatures are there here! How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, That has such people in't! The Tempest, 5. 1
I have had a most rare vision. I have had a dream, past the wit of man to say what dream it was Midsummer Night's Dream, 4. 1
If you can look into the seeds of time, And say which grain will grow and which will not. Macbeth, 1. 3
Come what come may, Time and the hour runs through the roughest day. Macbeth, 1. 3
This castle hath a pleasant seat; the air Nimbly and sweetly recommends itself Unto our gentle senses. Macbeth, 1. 6
Screw your courage to the sticking-place, And we'll not fail. Macbeth, 1. 7
The labor we delight in physics pain. Macbeth, 2. 3
Stand not upon the order of your going, But go at once. Macbeth, 3. 4
The friends thou hast, and their adoption tried, Grapple them to thy soul with hoops of steel. Hamlet, 1. 3
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Post by davidramsey on May 19, 2006 22:35:35 GMT
Here are a few military quotes ... if you're interested.
"I yield to no man in sympathy for the gallant men under my command; but I am obliged to sweat them tonight, so that I may save their blood tomorrow." - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson
"Who could not conquer with such troops as these?" - General Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys. Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!" - Sun Tzu
"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
There is no problem that cannot be solved by the use of high explosives. - Bumper Sticker
"The best space is that without weapons." -Anonymous.
"It is better to live one day as a lion than a hundred years as a sheep." - Italian proverb
"Under a good general there are no bad soldiers." -Chinese proverb
"Though all under heaven be at peace, if the art of war be forgotten there is peril." - Chinese proverb
"A good run is better than a bad stand" Irish saying/proverb
"Shrimp may attack dragons in shallow water." -Traditional Chinese proverb
"Heroes are made by the times." -Traditional Chinese proverb
"True gold does not fear the test of fire." -Traditional Chinese proverb
"When you are the anvil, be patient. When you are the hammer, strike." -Arabian Proverb
"Fall seven times, stand up eight." - Japanese Proverb
"The enemy is but weeds to be moved" - Aztec Proverb
"The hammer shatters glass but forges steel." - Russian proverb
"Tomorrow's battle is won during today's practice." - Samurai maxim
"Will yourself to stand ready and courageous on the battlefield. In this way, all that is difficult or dangerous will be yours." - The Way of the Samurai
"Allow your heart to remain at ease, and destiny will lead the way to accord with others." - The Way of the Samurai
"The soul is the body, and the body is the soul. They are indistinguishable. Do not fear for the destruction of either." - The Way of the Samurai
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. -Matthew 5:9
"A man's bone and skin can be burned away into powder and ash, but what's left is without form. Courage, duty and honor have no permanent home." - In Harms Way: The Sinking of the USS Indianapolis and the Extraordinary Story of It's survivors
Train hard, fight easy... and win. Train easy, fight hard... and die. - Unknown
A soldier must do everything he can to win the battle and most of the things he cant. - Unknown
"It became necessary to destroy the town to save it." An unnamed major in the U.S. Army said this about the decision to bomb and shell the town of Bentre, according to an Associated Press dispatch. —The New York Times, February 8, 1968
"For every dark night, there's a bright day after that, so no matter how hard it gets keep your head up, stick your chest out and handle it." - Unknown
"Frederick the Great's horse was on seven separate campaigns with him. In the end he was still a dumb horse." - Unknown (on experience in military decision-making)
If it moves, salute it; if it doesn't move, pick it up; and if you can't pick it up, paint it. - Unknown (1940's saying)
"When cities burn and armies turn and flee in disarray, cowards will cry: 'Tis best to fly, and fight another day'. But warriors know in their marrow, When they die and fall, 'tis best to have fought and lost than not to have fought at all.'" - Unknown
"The Greatest glory consists not in never dying but in rising when we fall" -Unknown Sergeant in Vietnam supposable during the Hamburger Hill assault
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Post by jared on May 22, 2006 23:41:50 GMT
'E pluribus unum.' One from many.
Originally a latin phrase and the first and best motto of the USA. Could also refer to the multiple people contributing to the idea here.
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Post by davidramsey on May 22, 2006 23:50:24 GMT
Yes, that is true ... however, it's commonly found on US money and if money doesn't really exist in this time ... it seems a little out of place. Of course, that could just be because I'm an American and see it every time I go to pay for something ... lol.
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Post by davidramsey on May 23, 2006 0:19:54 GMT
Here are some more literary quotes if anyone is interested.
Reason is our soul's left hand, Faith her right. John Donne
When one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language. John Donne
No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. John Donne
Be thine own palace, or the world's thy jail John Donne
In the entire history of the universe, let alone in your own history, there has never been another day just like today, and there will never be another just like it again. Frederick Buechner
When you remember me, it means that you have carried something of who I am with you, that I have left some mark of who I am on who you are. It means that you can summon me back to your mind even though countless years and miles may stand between us. It means that if we meet again, you will know me. It means that even after I die, you can still see my face and hear my voice and speak to me in your heart. Frederick Buechner
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2006 7:04:36 GMT
'E pluribus unum.' One from many. Originally a latin phrase and the first and best motto of the USA. Could also refer to the multiple people contributing to the idea here. Oh god......this is hilarious. Guess what my fiancé's S47 name used to be? (and still is his screen name for many things if not everything) One of many!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2006 7:05:49 GMT
Yes, that is true ... however, it's commonly found on US money and if money doesn't really exist in this time ... it seems a little out of place. Of course, that could just be because I'm an American and see it every time I go to pay for something ... lol. Couldn't we go for something global instead of going for something american? Perhaps something in the line of our founder's uhm...line of work? (which does happen to be science) The majority of this community is European....
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Post by jared on May 23, 2006 13:24:06 GMT
The point of the E Pluribus is that it's universal, as was the original intent of the Founding Fathers, who had much the same world vision as Roddenberry. In many ways it is not modern American, since American politics is controlled by the religious right, who led by the facist senator McCarthy, changed the offical motto to 'in God we trust' to alienate all atheists and non Christians where possible. That was also when they added God into the pledge of allegiance.
At the time the motto was coined, the American society and the people who formed it were still very European. Anyone who knows me well knows I don't like the modern American government and would never support a culture specific motto, but I don't believe this to apply to either of those criteria, especially as the phrase originates from a poem about cooking.
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Post by davidramsey on May 23, 2006 20:05:28 GMT
Hahaha ... I knew it!
I knew the founding fathers were cooking enthusiasts ... after all, who else would throw such an extravagant Tea Party?
I don't dislike the motto, but the Latin idea was already shot down somewhat. I like the literary quotes myself, and both John Donne and Shakespeare are European. Several of those proverbs are from Asia and the Middle East ... which were the original centers of scientific understanding. Therefore, I do not see why it must be specifically European.
Also, there is the fact that Starfleet Headquarters is located in San Francisco ... in the continental United States, therefore some American influence would be reasonable.
McCarthy was an anti-communist, not a fascist. Those changes were not made to alienate atheists, although that was the effect, they were added during the Cold War to "confront" the Soviets' lack of religion. Not to say that it was a good change, but that was how it was presented in the 1950's. The current administration is motivated by the "profits of war" and their propaganda is aimed at the psycho-religious-mid-western-united-states and the homophobic communities that are located throughout the US.
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Post by Harrias Jira on May 23, 2006 20:09:50 GMT
In fact, English.
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Post by davidramsey on May 23, 2006 20:26:23 GMT
Yes, but still European.
I like the Donne because he is a commonly overlooked English poet that has a connection to both Shakespeare and Ernest Hemingway.
I wasn't entirely aware that the center of science is now located in Europe. I thought that some science was still in the US, Asia, and Russia.
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Post by Harrias Jira on May 23, 2006 20:58:37 GMT
I assume you are referring to CERN, and although it is perhaps the most advanced facility in the world, there are plenty in the US too, although for some reason the americans felt the need to build their particle accelerator on the San Andreas fault. No comment
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Post by jared on May 23, 2006 21:01:50 GMT
Hahaha ... I knew it! I knew the founding fathers were cooking enthusiasts ... after all, who else would throw such an extravagant Tea Party? I don't dislike the motto, but the Latin idea was already shot down somewhat. I like the literary quotes myself, and both John Donne and Shakespeare are European. Several of those proverbs are from Asia and the Middle East ... which were the original centers of scientific understanding. Therefore, I do not see why it must be specifically European. Also, there is the fact that Starfleet Headquarters is located in San Francisco ... in the continental United States, therefore some American influence would be reasonable. McCarthy was an anti-communist, not a fascist. Those changes were not made to alienate atheists, although that was the effect, they were added during the Cold War to "confront" the Soviets' lack of religion. Not to say that it was a good change, but that was how it was presented in the 1950's. The current administration is motivated by the "profits of war" and their propaganda is aimed at the psycho-religious-mid-western-united-states and the homophobic communities that are located throughout the US. Briefly on the last point because this is somewhat off topic, McCarthy WAS a fascist, but it's a common misconception that facism is Nazism, when the latter is only a type of the former. He believed in strict government control, anti-atheism, anti-communism, merging of the state and religion and a return to 'traditional' Christian values. Those were also marks of Mussolini's fascist state. Maybe someone could dig up a quote from Hepta to use as the motto?
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Post by davidramsey on May 24, 2006 2:18:29 GMT
Ok, you're right about McCarthy.
But still ...
I think a literary quote or a proverb would work very well.
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Post by kosh0darmek on May 24, 2006 3:12:48 GMT
here are some excotic ones
bI'reS kligon for
beginning
Iw 'Ip ghomey blood oath circles
Iq be too much, be too many
harlogh how many times?
yor top
vIq battle, combat (abstract)
vItHay' the truth test
vad be flexibel
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Post by davidramsey on May 24, 2006 3:25:49 GMT
I like this one ... it can mean whatever you want it to mean .... or something like that
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Post by cptjeff on May 25, 2006 1:41:14 GMT
klingon- interesting idea. but it proably should be a traslation so most pepole could understand it.
perhaps "Today is a good day to die." (Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam)
"Hab SoSlI' Quch!" (I won't bother to translate that one...)
"QamuIs Heg qaq law' lorvIs yInqaq puS" (Better to die on your feet than live on your knees)
" Qapla' Balth je' " (Honour and success)
" yIvoq 'ach lojm Itmey yISam " (Trust, but locate the doors)
" batlh Daqawlu'taH" (You will be rembered with honour!)
" Dubotchugh yIpummoH" (If it`s in your way, knock it down) -note- this is similar to the hannabal quote mentioned before...
just some ideas..
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Post by davidramsey on May 25, 2006 2:44:14 GMT
I like those, of course, you'd have to have your fair share of Klingons on the ship to account for the quote ... I mean, it would seem odd to have absolutely none onboard.
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Post by cptjeff on May 25, 2006 4:21:10 GMT
true. but some are fitting, and we are jsut throwing out ideas here.
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Post by kosh0darmek on May 25, 2006 14:47:15 GMT
u noticed that to a
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Post by davidramsey on May 28, 2006 1:25:33 GMT
Well, I wish someone would start narrowing down choices or something. It would be nice to have some idea of what the "designers" are looking for and/or considering.
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Post by kosh0darmek on May 28, 2006 3:15:30 GMT
from the way thing are going i wouldint hold my breath
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Post by davidramsey on May 28, 2006 18:41:17 GMT
Yea, I'm not .... that would be suicide.
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Post by Carl Torek on Jun 27, 2006 21:08:55 GMT
Can I have a go at the motto / quote ..... ~ Porro Paratus nam Aliquis ~~ Forward and Ready for Anything ~(Just an idea)
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