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Post by ajohnson on Nov 26, 2005 19:03:05 GMT
At the moment, the aim of this project is to create a prototype ship of a new class to be the flagship of S47. I see no reason to change that at this time.
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Post by jared on Nov 27, 2005 0:41:17 GMT
The only flagships that there has been on screen proof of are the Enterprise-D and the Enterprise-E. As to why they used the 1701 registry again, it was for the viewers' purpose. It wouldn't be the same to Star Trek fans to have an Enterprise without the 1701. And anyway, if all flagships re-use registries, how come the Enterprise is the only ship to have done so? Because the only long running flagship name was Enterprise. Any others that were used were temporary arrangements only until the new one was finished. Taken. by at least two sites. Perhaps we could do two ships if we sent one of our older ships into mothballs and replaced it with a new one- the prototype, and then did the flagship. Or use one of the old ship's names. e.g. USS Caesar. Although in the case of Caesar then there is a canon ship of that name, but it's an older registry so by this era would probably be out of service. It is also used by another site, but not as a fan made class. How about USS Pentektonter (leader of 50 men, a rank in the Spartan army and a less obvious name than 'Centurion') or USS Ephor (democratic officials in classical Sparta who had the ability to arrest even the kings). USS Themistocles; after the man who said to the Athenians; you know, ships would help next time them Persians come a sacking. USS Leonidas after the Spartan king who led the resistance at Thermopylae against the Persians and in the end died with his 500 Spartan soliders rather than retreat. I can find hundreds of names like that, none of which have been touched since most Trekkies only know about vague Greek mythology and Roman history, or if they know more then they certainly don't use it. USS Ulixes; Dante's version of Odysseus/Ulysses. USS Orphus; Orphus was the brother of Kerberos/Cerberus (both are said exactly the same way besides the 'u' and 'o') and likewise was multi-headed (like the ship is to be multi-faceted) and big. USS Gucumatz; the Mayan name for Quetzlcoatl, Lord of Life and Death. See; names are easy enough to come up with so long as you don't rely on the same sources and think more originally. It would be interesting to see some Dutch legendary names come up here.
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Post by cptjeff on Nov 27, 2005 2:22:22 GMT
teh thing is, most of those names just don't sound like class names. they would work quite well as ship names, but keep in mind that we're making a prototyper here- all futrue vessels of this class will be of the same class name.
I say zenith class/ USS Zenith.
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Post by tintagel on Nov 27, 2005 2:30:47 GMT
I'd prefer to stay away from Spartan names here, just because we don't really want to imitate their philosophy and idealogies...
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Post by jared on Nov 27, 2005 2:48:43 GMT
That's not quite true. The Spartans were less aggressive than the Athenians and in some ways more democratic. More Spartans could vote than Athenians. It's just because Athens was a democracy and we like to think of ourselves as a democracy that we tend to idolise the Athenian government, which many Athenians could see the problems with. In fact, Britain and America mimic Sparta more than Athens with an elected oligarchy rather than an assembly of all adult male citizens.
It was only in the later days of Sparta that things went really wrong, but then the Thebans came and beat the hell out of them, so it doesn't much matter now.
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Post by cptjeff on Nov 27, 2005 5:50:56 GMT
also, Those names ant' reconizable to anyone not familiar with the mytholigy. People wouldn't know what they represent. For example, Zeus would imply power 9and a womanizing captian) Hermes implies speed. Hera implies care. Titan implies even more power.
People are familiar with greek and roman mythos. they arn't familiar with much else, except perhaps norse. Thor= strengh, and that's the extend of knowlege there. besides, it's like calling a ship the USS Iehovah.
that's the latin for Jehovah, the name of god.
people don't know what it implies. we need a name that implies exploration and adventure. that or leadership, as it's the flagship.
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Post by jared on Nov 27, 2005 13:59:36 GMT
Yes, but if those names are all taken, then we need to be slightly more original and abstract with it. Why not use non-English words, translated versions of words we think sound best for the name? I know tradition is to use English, but there was the USS Leeuwenhoek and a lot of people on this site aren't actually English.
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Post by Magellan Lin on Nov 27, 2005 16:53:29 GMT
How about going further back - some Mesoptamian Names, USS Ea USS Ishtar USS Marduk USS Dummuz USS Enki USS Uptnaptishm - thats a good one LOL... not What about norse, USS Grungni USS Thor USS Elf LOL USS Grimmnir USS Holdir Perhaps Wlesh Mythology USS Myrddin USS Mabonigen USS Glyngwyer
Perhaps the name should come last? Perhaps then when we see the final product something we will all suddenly say "of course it looks just like something you d find in the bath - its obviously the USS Rubber Duck."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2005 17:54:16 GMT
Yes, but if those names are all taken, then we need to be slightly more original and abstract with it. Why not use non-English words, translated versions of words we think sound best for the name? I know tradition is to use English, but there was the USS Leeuwenhoek and a lot of people on this site aren't actually English. Leeuwenhoek is a person: Antonie van Leeuwenhoek, the inventor of the microscope. His name was chosen because the ship was a medical ship, and Van Leeuwenhoek was sort of a pioneer in medicine I suppose, with his discovery of "beeskens" (referring to bacteria)
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Post by Magellan Lin on Nov 27, 2005 17:58:33 GMT
I beg to differ - Robert Hooke invented the Microscope. In 17err hmm cough. perhaps Leuweenhoek invented a dutch version LOL
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2005 18:04:35 GMT
Well maybe not thé inventor...but he did discover quite a number of things: A history of Antonie van LeeuwenhoekAnyway, perhaps new ships of the line could be named after certain pioneers? USS Leeuwenhoek <tho that already was one> USS Cochrane To name two examples.....USS Pasteur was also one.... USS Newton? USS Ampère? USS Watt?
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Post by jared on Nov 27, 2005 21:39:05 GMT
I didn't mean that it was a word, I know he was the biologist bloke. The point was just that we don't need to stick always to the same old names.
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Post by ajohnson on Nov 27, 2005 23:08:47 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't Newton, Ampere and Watt already have things named after them?
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Post by cptjeff on Nov 28, 2005 0:37:39 GMT
uh yeah. Newtons are the international weight standard, Amps and watts are measures of power.
I think we had better stick with something abstract. ie. Hope, zenith, union
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Post by Elron on Nov 29, 2005 9:02:35 GMT
Although I'm not keen on the fact that it's now been used elsewhere in another sci-fi series, I do rather like the sound of Serenity. The Serenity-class USS Serenity. Has a nice ring to it, and fits our mission brief (keeping the peace and expanding the frontiers of peaceful exploration)
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Post by jared on Nov 29, 2005 14:27:29 GMT
Hey, that's a good one. Have you checked for other classes of the name?
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Post by jared on Nov 29, 2005 14:37:26 GMT
How about USS Beagle after Darwin's famous ship?
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Post by Magellan Lin on Nov 29, 2005 16:49:43 GMT
Now as a Biologist I like that one - though Darwin is always a little over rated in my book.
Perhaps another great - Linneaus, Mendel, Watson, Crick
Ohh ohh What about Newton? - he was a good alround scientist
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Post by Magellan Lin on Nov 29, 2005 16:51:19 GMT
Hmm perhaps I should read the earlier posts LOL
BTW I also like Serenity, it is a good name, I believe Zodiac has a serenity.
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Post by jared on Nov 29, 2005 16:57:37 GMT
Back on my love of Greek names, how about Xenophon? He was a philosopher/writer and a fighter too (but less so).
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Post by cptjeff on Nov 30, 2005 1:06:55 GMT
serenity and zodiac are taken. Greek names. unless they're well known (Plato, Socrates, pythaogorias, arostotle ) are pretty much out of the question, as they mean nothing to most people and look like a jumble of letters.
I also firmly belive that we should stick to an abstract idea, not a name. USS Northeaster', USS Blossom, USS Sunrise, USS Wind, USS Element, USS Water, USS Fire
All of those names are unclaimed as well. I liek the USS sunrise, as this its the beginning of a new era in star trek, and the sunrise is a bveginning. It also conveys a pretty ship, nothing clunky, but majestic.
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Post by ONE on Nov 30, 2005 3:39:29 GMT
Of the names suggested so far, I think Zenith is by far the best. But if you're going to go with a name, how about something more modern like Einstein? He was Time magazine's Person of the [20th] Century. His discoveries formed the foundation for a whole number of scientific advances, both military and non, including warp drive itself! A perfect match.
Originally I had thought that this new prototype would indeed be the flagship, but upon reading your discussion, I am inclined to agree with those who advocate that the flagship be the second of the class, not the prototype itself. First of all, this does indeed make sense. Prototypes are test vessels, still full of bugs, and not yet the prize of the fleet. It seems more appropriate IMO that the flagship be the first fully-tested operational version of the new class. Second, it gives us a great opportunity to use two different names.
So my suggestion would be to make the prototype the USS Zenith, then the flagship the USS Albert Einstein (or USS Einstein if you prefer), of Zenith Class.
However, if you are still interested in naming this ship after our founder, Tettares Hepta, I'd like to point out that the Academy Flagship USS Hepta would be the perfect candidate for mothballing and recomissioning -- not only is it old (Galaxy II class, with a broken-off 3rd nacelle), but a training vessel would be the best place to test a new class. What better to keep all those engineering, operations, navigation, and science cadets busy than a prototype vessel still full of bugs?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2005 6:01:46 GMT
You could always resort to the names of ships being in diferent languages......not just english or greek or what. Did anyone consider Vulcan, or even Klingon or maybe Andorian names?
After all Starfleet/Federation is/are a multi-culti culture!
Try USS Kolinahr, for example............USS Mount Seleya (granted not really another language...but at least a non-earth site!)
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Post by Elron on Nov 30, 2005 16:23:04 GMT
Placing the prototype in the Academy after completion is quite a good idea. It prevents anyone from fighting over it and makes it an important ship without having to assign "the best of the best" to it. The Flagship could then be the second commissioned of the class (presumably with bugs from the first worked out by the Hepta staff etc.) and we could give that one of the names we've all been discussing. The Hepta-class USS Sunrise?
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Post by ajohnson on Nov 30, 2005 17:21:07 GMT
I don't think that a new prototype would be assigned to the academy. Anyway, having two of them somehow degrades it for me.
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