I assume you are referring to CERN, and although it is perhaps the most advanced facility in the world, there are plenty in the US too, although for some reason the americans felt the need to build their particle accelerator on the San Andreas fault. No comment
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I knew the founding fathers were cooking enthusiasts ... after all, who else would throw such an extravagant Tea Party?
I don't dislike the motto, but the Latin idea was already shot down somewhat. I like the literary quotes myself, and both John Donne and Shakespeare are European. Several of those proverbs are from Asia and the Middle East ... which were the original centers of scientific understanding. Therefore, I do not see why it must be specifically European.
Also, there is the fact that Starfleet Headquarters is located in San Francisco ... in the continental United States, therefore some American influence would be reasonable.
McCarthy was an anti-communist, not a fascist. Those changes were not made to alienate atheists, although that was the effect, they were added during the Cold War to "confront" the Soviets' lack of religion. Not to say that it was a good change, but that was how it was presented in the 1950's. The current administration is motivated by the "profits of war" and their propaganda is aimed at the psycho-religious-mid-western-united-states and the homophobic communities that are located throughout the US.
Briefly on the last point because this is somewhat off topic, McCarthy WAS a fascist, but it's a common misconception that facism is Nazism, when the latter is only a type of the former. He believed in strict government control, anti-atheism, anti-communism, merging of the state and religion and a return to 'traditional' Christian values. Those were also marks of Mussolini's fascist state.
Maybe someone could dig up a quote from Hepta to use as the motto?
the idea I'm chamipooining right now is an "alien" quote. We throw out philosiophy, nad then when we decide on one, we decide on some made up alien to credit it to. Adorian, Bajorian, ect.
here's an idea for a quote like that.
"Destiny and fate is dark, yet there is the occasional beam in the darkness, guiding up to serenity."
"You may destroy our bodies, our minds- but the dreams that they are made of live on."
"Today is a new journey of wonder"
find something we like, and credit it to whoever. But I HATE the idea of a millitary quote on this ship, simply becasue it's not a millitary ship. this is going to be built for exploration, not destruction.
The military is not all about destruction. After all, if it wasn't for the military we would have never had the resources to jump into space. Also, military discipline and order are what make a starship run properly and they also help to create lasting bonds and comraderie within the crew. Few other things have the ability to bring out the best in people.
If it wasn't for the military we wouldn't know half of what we do about the Classical era in North Africa. The French Foreign Legion recon photographs are still the commonly used ones since paranoid governments won't let aerial photography take place. I believe the only reliable maps of the various currents and channels around England is still the Royal Navy's and in Greece the national map is made by the army. Also, Alfred Lord Tennyson wrote the Charge of the Light Brigade which was a tribute to the bravery of the men involved, not the actual war.
Raleva, I really like that last quote you gave, I know you gave it a while ago, but I haven't looked through the posts recently..and I agree that a military quote doesn't mean the ship is going to be charging into battle without thinking about it ahead of time.
So if I were to vote for one of the quotes I would do the one just given: "The hammer shatters glass but forges steel."
And because someone mentioned narrowing down choices and I think it's a good idea I'm going to list all the ones I like enough to be proud to serve on a ship with this as their Motto/Quote.
Of course, as I mentioned: "The hammer shatters glass but forges steel." Then, as others I like: "The road ahead never gives away a promise" (2nd favorite) "When you are the anvil, be patient. When you are the hammer, strike." (3rd favorite)
Perhaps others can also list 3 to 5 of their favorites?
I really like the hammer quote too ... but the first one I have there ... ("I am obliged to sweat them tonight, so that I may save their blood tomorrow.") is a family mantra, I come from what could be considered a military family. I kinda dislike the general assumption that military=destruction and devastation ... my family got enough of that stuff during and after Vietnam.
And I have two cousins at the Virgina Military Institute that want to be aviators because military pilots have the inside track when it comes to joining the astronaut core. I had to say something about them ... just 'cause I tend to be rather proud of them both ... and 'cause one of them is nearing his graduation. Gotta show that family love ...
Oh, I am also Raleva ... for those that are curious ... lol.
Since we are limited to up to five quotes, here are my other three top choices:
No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. John Donne
How many goodly creatures are there here! How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, That has such people in't! The Tempest, 5. 1
The friends thou hast, and their adoption tried, Grapple them to thy soul with hoops of steel. Hamlet, 1. 3
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