jared
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Post by jared on Dec 8, 2005 21:30:13 GMT
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 8, 2005 21:30:41 GMT
I like that look....
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Post by jared on Dec 8, 2005 21:35:24 GMT
Trouble is to carry that look off without it being a total monster, it would need to have the engineering hull set to a different plane from the saucer. Otherwise the saucer section would probably be too flat for the size of it.
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Post by jared on Dec 8, 2005 21:44:13 GMT
Thinking about it more, it COULD stay on the same plane, but then logically the engines would be moved more in line with the saucer than it appears on the USS K'Nex. The main problem here I think is that a triangular saucer is sleek, but the large engines are clearly not. We need to juggle relative sizes to work out how much we want it to look bulky like a Galaxy and how much we want an Intrepid style sleekness. Don't forget the absolute size of the ship; a larger ship is less likely to be sleek, rather it would be more imposing and internal size would be as efficient as possible (making circles more the shape to be).
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 8, 2005 22:31:55 GMT
i don't see much of a problem with nacele size, especally after we've incorparated new technoligy into them, they would be bigger.
Thinner though, I would think. and I would widen the engineering section and deepen it, and also slightly lesson the plae difference on the nacelles and bring them perhaps 10 degrees up.
As for circle vs. angular, I really don't have a prefrance.
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Post by ajohnson on Dec 8, 2005 22:34:08 GMT
I like the circular saucer better. The first drawing was very good IMO, but the ship looked a bit small somehow, maybe a bigger saucer?
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 8, 2005 22:36:02 GMT
Or jsut smaller lettering. That's hat puts a ship to scale when it's drawn for me, as starfleet keeps it's lettering pretty uniform. A bigger saucer would also help.
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Post by jared on Dec 8, 2005 22:42:24 GMT
I enlarged the engineering section for the large amount of shuttles/starfighters it was suggested it should carry. Also, if there is a new type of engine then the engineering hull would show this by the need to fit more advanced equipment. In all honesty, the nacelles don't need to be that large; the power and stardrive comes from the engineering hull. I just tried to make them as large as they appeared to be on the USS K'Nex.
Heh, three design prototype models so far and it's only been a day.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 8, 2005 22:50:50 GMT
The nacelles are meant to be fairly flat, but materials didn't let me. imagine the same width, only squished down to about half of their ight on the model.
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Post by jared on Dec 8, 2005 22:55:06 GMT
That's pretty much what I was thinking; I saw them as being much like the Galaxy nacelles.
Although we could halve the width and then have one pylon each at 1.5 times the total width of the two each currently there.
I'll try that tomorrow.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 9, 2005 1:15:11 GMT
Accually,I was invisioning the Excalibur class ones more. I don't like the galaxys. take a look at the nacceles on this ship:
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Post by Jamey Gaz on Dec 13, 2005 3:57:31 GMT
OK ... I have an idea that I drew up in Illustrator with simple shapes. The first thing your gonna see is a TNG style ship ... but just look at it ... let it soak in ... LOL My idea here really is to show a warp capable saucier section ... with a portion of the top of the saucier that can detach for multi configurable missions ... even defense. As far as the secondary hull ... I like the forward sweep of the nacelle supports (but that is just me). OK ... again ... my ideas are just that ... ideas ...
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Post by jared on Dec 13, 2005 12:04:54 GMT
I think we ruled out MVAM in favour of a fighter wing or similar. I'm not sure though, someone would have to confirm that.
The general shape is good though, do the nacelles go up, down or on the same plane as the hull?
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Post by ajohnson on Dec 13, 2005 17:10:36 GMT
I don't know about the fighter wing Reman, but we decided on Separation but not MVAM.
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Post by jared on Dec 13, 2005 18:39:48 GMT
Well it was discussed that a large ship could carry combat specific craft like starfighters of Marine boarding transports.
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Post by Jamey Gaz on Dec 13, 2005 19:17:44 GMT
I'm trying to make a side profile of the ship as well ... however I was thinking of the same plane as the hull ... sorta
I also wasn't thinking of a MVAM either ... just a multi purpose ship that could separate and do other missions ... no mater what the mission is ... Marine ... fighter ... Science ...
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 13, 2005 19:54:41 GMT
but would act as an MVAM...
besides, you loose the fighter bay area to 3 engineering rooms, not just one an done with a small core. You would need 3 full size rooms. that's a lot.
I think one seperation plane, and oth sections warp capable.
It does have a nice look to it though- we may be able to salvage it into something workable.
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Post by jared on Dec 13, 2005 20:05:08 GMT
Maybe remove the pointy shaped bit on top and see what the rest looks like?
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Post by Jamey Gaz on Dec 13, 2005 22:45:08 GMT
OK ... here is my try number 2
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Post by jared on Dec 13, 2005 22:50:12 GMT
It looks sort of Akira meets Sovereign. Could work though, I assume the deflector would be on the front of the saucer.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 13, 2005 22:59:38 GMT
what about a strip deflector? like a series of small defelctors in squares on the front, that could be arranged in any pattern, and align them along the second little hull there- the second layer in the top pic, to change things up. then we could put a rapid deployment suttlebay where the deflector usually goes.
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Post by jared on Dec 14, 2005 13:42:53 GMT
The deflector works in a specific way of projecting a field out in front of the ship; if you notice the size of the deflector has gone down so instead of stip deflectors we could just have a relatively small one like the Nova class has. Also with shuttlebay, if it's on the front then the shuttles have to already be moving faster than the ship to leave and land with much more difficulty. On the first design picture I drew, I placed an enlarged shuttlebay at the back, but forgot to define it more so it might not be obvious.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 14, 2005 19:59:55 GMT
I noticed it- but the akira according to background has a fly throuh bay to facilitate luanch. also, if the suttle is already moving at the ships velosity, It's added power would launch it to whatever speed the aded power would make it go. think of it as basically flying around in the ship. If it leaves, it stil has the inital velosity of the ship, so it's the same as if the ship was sitting still. The entire idea with the Akira having that was for fighters so if we have a fighter wing, it makes sense to incorparate it.
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Post by jared on Dec 14, 2005 22:08:10 GMT
Oh yeah, intertial dampeners. Maybe we should put those in too...
A fly through bay would probably need a remodelling of the ship though.
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Post by cptjeff on Dec 15, 2005 0:49:13 GMT
no, the bottom of the saucer would work quite well. you can use the top for the deflector.
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